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I agree. Both quotes explain h ow the way our society is set up, slits us apart, and makes us self centered...The bourgeoisie does end the rank that we have in todays society. It makes the human race equal. Being rich can be a dangerous thing, causing man to turn on each other. Money causes a relationship between two people to change. Quotes one and two agree because there is a discontect between man and man, but the relationship afterwards is a cash payment relationship, where Nietzsche says there is huge divde that no one dares to cross. The quotes connect as they both deal with the disconnection of man to his fellow man. In Marx we see that the bourgeosie have replaced the fuedal system of contact with one where masters and workers only meet through the exchange of money. Nietzsche writes that the values of the meek priests also serve to serperate the peoples. It seems that Marx in this passage would agree with Nietsche that a fuedal system is almost better as there existed "natural superiors" and they had power strength and beauty as opposed to the weak vengeful priests.
on the other hand...
I disagree, the human ranse can't be truely equal. SOme of us are more motivated, creative or inteligent. People contribute to society in different ways, some of which are harder then others. People need to be paid according to their efforts. WE are naturally self centered. We can't give up money and the pleasures that it brings. The quotes disagree because the relationships between man are not the same. Marx says that there is a relationship between man and man, but its not a good one because it is based around "hacked self interest" or "cash payments" Nietzsche, however believes there is no relationship and that there is a huge divide between men that no one would be willing to cross it. Marx claims that there exists a disconnect between peoples because of the cash system put in place by the bourgeoisie, but this is done only out of neccessity from the bourgeoisie point of view, whereas the separation of peoples, from Nietzsche point of of veiw arises out of revenge (quote 2) and a desire to do harm to others (quote 3) the priests in quote 2 set up their own set of values that deem the others as evil and therfore themselves as good. The bourgeoisie does discuss the fact that people only meet through the exchange of money, however it is through everyone not just masters and slaves. Though it is in an example, money brings people together and rips them apart. Values of priests are meant to bring people together not just seperate.
on the other hand...
I disagree, the human ranse can't be truely equal. SOme of us are more motivated, creative or inteligent. People contribute to society in different ways, some of which are harder then others. People need to be paid according to their efforts. WE are naturally self centered. We can't give up money and the pleasures that it brings. The quotes disagree because the relationships between man are not the same. Marx says that there is a relationship between man and man, but its not a good one because it is based around "hacked self interest" or "cash payments" Nietzsche, however believes there is no relationship and that there is a huge divide between men that no one would be willing to cross it. Marx claims that there exists a disconnect between peoples because of the cash system put in place by the bourgeoisie, but this is done only out of neccessity from the bourgeoisie point of view, whereas the separation of peoples, from Nietzsche point of of veiw arises out of revenge (quote 2) and a desire to do harm to others (quote 3) the priests in quote 2 set up their own set of values that deem the others as evil and therfore themselves as good. The bourgeoisie does discuss the fact that people only meet through the exchange of money, however it is through everyone not just masters and slaves. Though it is in an example, money brings people together and rips them apart. Values of priests are meant to bring people together not just seperate.
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