Argumentative Exercise
Group 2
"I disagree that these quotes are at least somewhat connected. In the 1st quote he talks about how the bourgeoisie or industrialization has led to the people of the country side to flood in mass numbers to live in a closely contained city. He then goes on to mock the people of the rural populations by referring to their lifestyles as 'idiocy,' or stupid. This contrasts with what Nietzsche says, because as I interpret it, he is condemning urbanization. That when man tries to live packed into a densely populated area his nature begins to change. He calls urbanization an 'essentially dangerous' form of existence, for the reason that it leads the people to 'become evil.' He also then refers to man as an 'interesting animal,' which gives me the feeling he is bringing urbanized man down a level in terms of his civilization. Firstly, I'm surprised to hear Marx say he doesn't like the rural setting, because I think its when people go to the city is when they become a worker machine and add to the lower/poverty class."
"Conversely, I believe that the two passages are very closely related. I believe that although Marx generally supports the lower class, or the working farmers in rural settings, he argues in this passage that the higher class has saved the lower class from their 'idiocy' by building great cities and such. While Nietzsche generally supports the upper class, he argues in this passage that although they've contributed greatly to society, their complex characters and drives for power that makes them 'interesting animals' also has the potential to make them evil."
"In both passages, the authors state the benefits of having a higher class, regardless of their overall opinions. Both state at some point that the higher class is 'dangerous,' but without its genius sometimes, men would continue to live in 'idiocy.' Even in the end result or consequence was men becoming evil, at least they had the capacity to evolve into 'interesting animals' that could build 'enormous cities.'"
"The first quote from the Communist Manifesto claims that the bourgeoisie created enormous cities to save people and the population from the idiocy of rural life. This quote connects with the second quote by Nietzsche because both of them see the rural life as 'essentially dangerous,' here the human soul 'acquired depth and became evil.'"
"I like how you took it in terms of a higher class, but personally I felt they were more referring to the urbanization of the middle to lower classes. I do like how you mention without genius man continues to live in idiocy, I think Marx would agree with that. but I don't agree with the assumption that they're referring to the higher class, I believe both to be referring to the opposite. I feel they're dealing with the lower class, and the effects that civilization and rural living can have on them. And just because man can create doesn't give him the right to, or justify what he has created as being proper, or right."
"It seems in the Marx quote it is stated that the formation of townships is wholly a positive thing. It is not suggested that there could ever be a downside. Marx says that city life has 'rescued a considerable part of the population.' It is only in the Nietzsche quote that it is suggested that this is a 'dangerous form of... existence,' or that living in towns will make us evil. He does, however, argue that this has made us more interesting."
"Marx’s quote explaining that towns saved people from the 'idiocy of rural life' can be connected quite strongly to Nietzsche’s quote, which explains that it was in these towns that humans first learned how to be evil, and first became interesting. Marx and Nietzsche are both exploring the function of urban life. Marx believes it to be a step in the right direction for humans, while Nietzsche believes that without townships we have no souls. Nietzsche continues that it was because of the development of these towns and these souls that we first became capable of evil. Though Marx and Nietzsche agree that the formation of towns and cities is a positive thing, the latter seems to better see the cost."
"Although both Marx and Nietzsche believe that without townships we have no souls, this concept is entirely wrong. How can depth and evil be acquired only through other influences? Are we not born with these traits of evil or these characteristics that these philosophers think are brought on only by township. In this argument are one’s own family and close friends considered his township, or should his depth and evil be apart of strangers and acquaintances influence? Through Marx and Nietzsche’s argument man is not whole by himself, he needs a township to create his depth. This is something that, if anything, creates competition, greed, and superficial happiness, not depth."
"I disagree that these quotes are at least somewhat connected. In the 1st quote he talks about how the bourgeoisie or industrialization has led to the people of the country side to flood in mass numbers to live in a closely contained city. He then goes on to mock the people of the rural populations by referring to their lifestyles as 'idiocy,' or stupid. This contrasts with what Nietzsche says, because as I interpret it, he is condemning urbanization. That when man tries to live packed into a densely populated area his nature begins to change. He calls urbanization an 'essentially dangerous' form of existence, for the reason that it leads the people to 'become evil.' He also then refers to man as an 'interesting animal,' which gives me the feeling he is bringing urbanized man down a level in terms of his civilization. Firstly, I'm surprised to hear Marx say he doesn't like the rural setting, because I think its when people go to the city is when they become a worker machine and add to the lower/poverty class."
"Conversely, I believe that the two passages are very closely related. I believe that although Marx generally supports the lower class, or the working farmers in rural settings, he argues in this passage that the higher class has saved the lower class from their 'idiocy' by building great cities and such. While Nietzsche generally supports the upper class, he argues in this passage that although they've contributed greatly to society, their complex characters and drives for power that makes them 'interesting animals' also has the potential to make them evil."
"In both passages, the authors state the benefits of having a higher class, regardless of their overall opinions. Both state at some point that the higher class is 'dangerous,' but without its genius sometimes, men would continue to live in 'idiocy.' Even in the end result or consequence was men becoming evil, at least they had the capacity to evolve into 'interesting animals' that could build 'enormous cities.'"
"The first quote from the Communist Manifesto claims that the bourgeoisie created enormous cities to save people and the population from the idiocy of rural life. This quote connects with the second quote by Nietzsche because both of them see the rural life as 'essentially dangerous,' here the human soul 'acquired depth and became evil.'"
"I like how you took it in terms of a higher class, but personally I felt they were more referring to the urbanization of the middle to lower classes. I do like how you mention without genius man continues to live in idiocy, I think Marx would agree with that. but I don't agree with the assumption that they're referring to the higher class, I believe both to be referring to the opposite. I feel they're dealing with the lower class, and the effects that civilization and rural living can have on them. And just because man can create doesn't give him the right to, or justify what he has created as being proper, or right."
"It seems in the Marx quote it is stated that the formation of townships is wholly a positive thing. It is not suggested that there could ever be a downside. Marx says that city life has 'rescued a considerable part of the population.' It is only in the Nietzsche quote that it is suggested that this is a 'dangerous form of... existence,' or that living in towns will make us evil. He does, however, argue that this has made us more interesting."
"Marx’s quote explaining that towns saved people from the 'idiocy of rural life' can be connected quite strongly to Nietzsche’s quote, which explains that it was in these towns that humans first learned how to be evil, and first became interesting. Marx and Nietzsche are both exploring the function of urban life. Marx believes it to be a step in the right direction for humans, while Nietzsche believes that without townships we have no souls. Nietzsche continues that it was because of the development of these towns and these souls that we first became capable of evil. Though Marx and Nietzsche agree that the formation of towns and cities is a positive thing, the latter seems to better see the cost."
"Although both Marx and Nietzsche believe that without townships we have no souls, this concept is entirely wrong. How can depth and evil be acquired only through other influences? Are we not born with these traits of evil or these characteristics that these philosophers think are brought on only by township. In this argument are one’s own family and close friends considered his township, or should his depth and evil be apart of strangers and acquaintances influence? Through Marx and Nietzsche’s argument man is not whole by himself, he needs a township to create his depth. This is something that, if anything, creates competition, greed, and superficial happiness, not depth."
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