Playing Catch-Up with my Problem
Dillon's Question
Take each book we've read so far, and pick a male character or figure in it (i.e. Victor or Clerval, etc for Frankenstein, Victor Frankl or one of his friends or patients for Man's Search for Meaning). Try to alternate between characters you like and characters you dislike when you make your selections. Evaluate the faults or merits of each of these characters- what do you like or dislike about them, which of them are good men, which are not. When you are done, reflect on your evaluations and ask yourself "what sorts of things do I value in males?". After that, reread Frankenstein's portrait of his own father in the beginning of the book.
Things Fall Apart
Okonkwo was everything opposite to his father, Unoka. His father enjoyed talks, music, he was lazy, cowardly, not masculine, sensitive, etc. Since Okonkwo was everything opposite to his father his masculinity and stubbornness led him to his own destruction. Nwoye, Okonkowo’s oldest son, is preferable because he learned to be masculine in a nicer way not like his father. Nwoye was more like his grandfather, Unoka, but I don’t like that because he already questioned his traditions, he was easily converted to Christianity. I do like that he found peace when he left his fathers oppressive presence.
Frankenstein
Victor Frankenstein brings about his own mental and physical destruction for not wanting to take responsibility of the monster he created. He dedicated his life to the monster and because of his strong dedication his relationship with his family and his supposed soon to be wife failed. His friend Clerval on the other hand is preferable because he is responsible and worries for his friends. Even though Frankenstein leaves for a while, Clerval himself wants to assure himself that Frankenstein is doing fine and Clerval even begs his father for his permission so that he, Clerval, can be with Frankenstein, and he does. Good Friend.
Frankl
Viktor doesn’t describe too many male figures who are stubborn; instead he describes them as needy and compliant with his advice. They are all, for the most part, in need of happiness, which Viktor then helps them find. Because Frankl doesn’t describe his patients, who are primarily men as stubborn, I would consider them to be good men as well as Frankl. Frankl because he helps others and is there for the well-being of others and not too much for his pleasure. The men who seek his help obviously have feelings, but how much they suffered before they looked for his help, I don’t know, therefore, I can’t really choose too much or be specific as to who and why I would choose in his text.
What sort of things to I value in men?
After doing this exercise, I think what I value in men is the opposite of the following: stubbornness, laziness, cowardly, disloyal, ignorance, irresponsible, uncaring, oppressive, controlling, inability to distribute amount of responsibility to valuable characters or duties (for example, Frankenstein), indecisive, lack of sense of humor, and easy to change their minds, etc. All of these characteristics are a burden on any relationship. I’m not implying that all men are like this and neither that woman aren’t like what I described, but instead, the opposite of these characteristics are what I look for in any person. Since my question has to be based on men, the opposite of these characteristics are what I value in men. To come up with all these characteristics I had to consider the texts and my father. I value these things in men because the opposite of what I listed are vital for a healthy relationship with any person.
Take each book we've read so far, and pick a male character or figure in it (i.e. Victor or Clerval, etc for Frankenstein, Victor Frankl or one of his friends or patients for Man's Search for Meaning). Try to alternate between characters you like and characters you dislike when you make your selections. Evaluate the faults or merits of each of these characters- what do you like or dislike about them, which of them are good men, which are not. When you are done, reflect on your evaluations and ask yourself "what sorts of things do I value in males?". After that, reread Frankenstein's portrait of his own father in the beginning of the book.
Things Fall Apart
Okonkwo was everything opposite to his father, Unoka. His father enjoyed talks, music, he was lazy, cowardly, not masculine, sensitive, etc. Since Okonkwo was everything opposite to his father his masculinity and stubbornness led him to his own destruction. Nwoye, Okonkowo’s oldest son, is preferable because he learned to be masculine in a nicer way not like his father. Nwoye was more like his grandfather, Unoka, but I don’t like that because he already questioned his traditions, he was easily converted to Christianity. I do like that he found peace when he left his fathers oppressive presence.
Frankenstein
Victor Frankenstein brings about his own mental and physical destruction for not wanting to take responsibility of the monster he created. He dedicated his life to the monster and because of his strong dedication his relationship with his family and his supposed soon to be wife failed. His friend Clerval on the other hand is preferable because he is responsible and worries for his friends. Even though Frankenstein leaves for a while, Clerval himself wants to assure himself that Frankenstein is doing fine and Clerval even begs his father for his permission so that he, Clerval, can be with Frankenstein, and he does. Good Friend.
Frankl
Viktor doesn’t describe too many male figures who are stubborn; instead he describes them as needy and compliant with his advice. They are all, for the most part, in need of happiness, which Viktor then helps them find. Because Frankl doesn’t describe his patients, who are primarily men as stubborn, I would consider them to be good men as well as Frankl. Frankl because he helps others and is there for the well-being of others and not too much for his pleasure. The men who seek his help obviously have feelings, but how much they suffered before they looked for his help, I don’t know, therefore, I can’t really choose too much or be specific as to who and why I would choose in his text.
What sort of things to I value in men?
After doing this exercise, I think what I value in men is the opposite of the following: stubbornness, laziness, cowardly, disloyal, ignorance, irresponsible, uncaring, oppressive, controlling, inability to distribute amount of responsibility to valuable characters or duties (for example, Frankenstein), indecisive, lack of sense of humor, and easy to change their minds, etc. All of these characteristics are a burden on any relationship. I’m not implying that all men are like this and neither that woman aren’t like what I described, but instead, the opposite of these characteristics are what I look for in any person. Since my question has to be based on men, the opposite of these characteristics are what I value in men. To come up with all these characteristics I had to consider the texts and my father. I value these things in men because the opposite of what I listed are vital for a healthy relationship with any person.
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